Hey. This is Sapphire Luna. Here I post random doodles, rants, reblogs, and other stuff!
Okay, tumblr, I need your help. I’ve seen things like this get thousands and thousands of notes, and I really think that this is a cause worth sharing.
This couple is an elderly couple that live in my small town in Canada’s smallest province. They both suffer from dementia and for the last 55 years, they’ve sent out Christmas cards to everyone in their neighbourhood. They’re both in a home now, and their son is doing a little project. The woman, Bev, her favourite movie is A Miracle On 34th Street, and she especially loves the part where the christmas cards come in by the hundreds. Her son is trying to get that to happen for her.
It would make this lady’s Christmas to get the hundreds of Christmas cards from all over the world. I think we owe it to this kind soul to come together and give her a Christmas miracle. If you would like to send a Christmas card, their information is;
Don and Bev Enman, C/O Summerset Manor
15 Frank Mellish Street
Summerside, P.E.I. Canada
Please reblog this and spread the word, guys. There’s also an article here x if you want to read more about them.
Maybe it’s because I have low faith in humanity, but I don’t think it’s wise to publish an elderly couple’s address all over the internet. And some people might be sending them not-nice things :(
Woah I need to catch up~
This is important. Stop big cat hunting. This literally is making me cry.
The way the lion tries to shut out the light…
:Why would you shoot it?
Cats Are Forever
Thanks deviantart, for reminding me to change my passwords on every website I go to…
I Could Eat wooperS all day
I EMANT WHOppERS
The time when you remember your Neopets account because it’s Advent Calendar time
Oh dear, this has gotten super long! D: Sorry about that. You should be able to just put a Read More break in front of the conversation, like I did. :S
Thanks for your input! I get your point of view!
If I made a fanfic and linked to a picture to see “look, this is what xyz looks like in my mind”, to me that’s not stealing, it’s just a visual reference. Cause you’re just sharing a picture on the internet. It’s the same as linking to a picture of a real dog and say “here, my dog character looks like this”. I mean…there’s a difference between saying “here, this is my character [link]” and “here, my character would look a bit like this [link]
I respect different points of view! I guess this is a agree to disagree situation~ I’m not involved in any of this so I don’t need to think too much about it
Take this for example: http://shimiart.deviantart.com/art/PayPal-Adoptables-CLOSED-416451777
Those are honest questions, I’m not calling anyone out or anything. I really wish to understand this concept.
What exactly is being sold? What do you gain from buying this? What is the point? Is it…
This reply is kind of long, but I hope it clears things up for you a bit. :3
Adoptables are character designs. Sometimes they come with names and personalities, or special powers or whatever. Other times they are a blank slate with just a physical appearance.
People buy adoptables for various reasons, and it doesn’t mean they are a bad artist. In some cases, an artist may buy an adoptable from someone else because they aren’t yet skilled at character design, or creature design, or they just really love the look of the adoptable and are inspired by it.
This is my experience. I’ve bought two adoptables because I love the designs the artist comes up with, and I’m not too great at coming up with creature designs—yet.
Other people may buy them cause they look pretty, or because they like to roleplay with adoptables. In general, I believe, adoptables are bought to be used one way or another, whether that’s in stories or in roleplays or just for art.
As for why buy them, well, it’s bad form to steal someone else’s character. You wouldn’t go to an artist page, find a drawing of a character, redraw it and claim the character as your own. No one is going to stop you from drawing fanart of a character, of course. :)
As for the example you gave: Yes, those were lions drawn in a Lion King style. But what they were selling were not the drawings themselves, but the characters. Lion characters aren’t restricted to the Lion King universe. c:
Oh! Another point. The cheaper designs you see are usually done with a base (which should be drawn by the artist). So they’re also a quick an easy way to make a buck. But more complex character designs do exist, and the better the design (and the artist), the more money they go for. Usually.
I hope this clears some things up for you. If you have any further questions or want some clarification, feel free to drop me a line! Not that I’ve been involved in a lot of adoptable related things but I think they are a pretty neat idea. :)
I’ve long wondered the same thing as sapphireluna and at least for me… this doesn’t clear things up at all.
But I think this is just a matter of taste. Do you feel okay using a character that you bought or do you not? I would not. I’d much rather make up my own, even if I’m not confident with my creature designing abilities. That’s how you develop them and it’s weird for me to see people saying “Well I buy them now so I can use them as examples to learn to do my own”. Does watching basketball make you good at it? Does watching someone make a pie make you a master at making them yourself? It might give you tips but you’re not going to actually learn anything until you do it yourself. I feel like when I see people who create a lot of adoptables, there are at least a few similarities throughout all of them- character creation is largely dependent on the creator’s taste and that’s not something you can use as a tip because you can’t just… take their taste and make it your own. You just need to practice this yourself and find what’s fun for you to draw, what sort of themes work for you, and you’ll never find those by buying stuff that someone else created. Sure, I see tons of adoptables out there that I think are gorgeous, but are they something that I would ever create? No. And I’m not disappointed by that because I know what I’m creating designs for and that sort of thing simply isn’t what would work. My creative taste is not someone else’s, even though we may have the same taste in some other final product of something (if that makes sense). I like colorful, fantastical creatures but I do not typically like to make or use them, I just like seeing them in other’s works. Someone else may feel the opposite and only create the eclectic stuff but still really enjoy more natural-looking creatures. And that’s something we’ve both had to find through a lot of trial and error and just drawing and designing often.
The person from the example themself doesn’t seem to even have character designing down- they’re relying on someone else’s style to make their profit. No, they’re not selling “Lion King style”, yes, they are “just selling the character”, but if they’re relying on someone else’s style to sell a character than it doesn’t seem right. Typically I feel neutral and can at least enjoy looking at adoptables and seeing the stuff someone has come up with, but when people do something like that then I just can’t support that. They aren’t promoting good character design, and neither are buyers. And if the reason you buy them is because you don’t know how to make your own, why would you buy from someone who also clearly doesn’t know???
And beyond that, what can you do with an adopted character? It’s fine in rping but you can’t use it in any big projects. If you were designing a world for a story and one day wanted to sell merchandise for it or something and you bought a few characters to stock it and because they just seemed super appealing (and they’re just easy to get, and, going back to that first monster paragraph, the #1 thing I don’t like about adoptables is they just seem lazy), I, for one, wouldn’t feel good about selling merchandise of a character I did not make entirely myself. Sure, I bought it, but I did not create it. This is the original work of someone else that I just happen to have the exclusive right to draw. I think technically I’d have to give them some of the profit for being the creator, but I really don’t know about any of that.
And then I just feel stressed about actually maintaining it. My own OCs, I don’t really care if I have to set them on a shelf for a while but a lot of adoptable sellers will be like “Only buy this if you’re going to use it!” and then if whatever I had in mind to use it for didn’t pan out, I’m just stuck with this thing I can’t resell and I don’t know what to do with it and yet I’m expected to do something with it and it’s weird. I don’t think many artists would get after you for not drawing it but it’s still not something I like.
So I dunno, adoptables seem incredibly limited to me. If they’re part of a big world and you’re adopting one so you can get involved with the story (say like Annicron’s MTTs, Griffsnuff’s Finnadyria, etc.) I can understand it a little more since then you’re buying not just a character (although those examples you can typically get/make them free P: ) but access to a community. But buying them for personal use, I just don’t see the point at all because it doesn’t seem like there’s much you can actually use them for.BUT that’s because there’s nothing I do that I could use them for. I don’t know what people that buy adoptables do with them, but I guess they must have something that I’m just not interested in (I would guess rping, in most cases, but I really don’t know).So basically, this is always something I’ve wondered but seeing Sapphireluna ask it and reading the replies I’m realizing… yeah, this is why I never asked because there will never be an answer that makes sense to me. There’s a lot more factors at play here than just ‘why do you buy adoptables?’, it’s like ‘what do you do with adoptables’, ‘how you maintain them?’, ‘why do you like the things that you do with adoptables?’ And I don’t feel I can really understand it because all those things you do with them are unappealing to me and you can try to explain but in the end I will still feel like, “This is not a fun thing and I don’t get it.” But it’s still interesting to wonder about and see y’all’s replies because I do love to see people discuss stuff I don’t get just in case maybe it could change something. P:Just tacking on though that I totally understand why people sell adoptables. Some people just have design ideas flooding out their ears and it’s nice to be able to have another option to put them to use, and make money off it to boot. Or it’s just nice to make money and see people paying for your ideas. It’s just the people that buy that I don’t understand because I can’t wrap my mind around ‘what do you do with someone else’s design’.
Sparradile explains my feelings much better than I can myself lol
I get commissioning an artist to create a character for your project, but buying pre-made ones?
I may be wrong, but I get the feeling those who buy adoptables are very young and possibly naive. So in a way, it’s taking advantage of their eagerness I guess? Or maybe because nobody will design you a character for 2$, buying a pre-made one for 2$ sounds like a good deal?
If I want to become a sprinter and someone comes to me and says “hey, buy my really awesome shoes, if you practice running a lot in them, you’ll become faster!” I would just say: “No thanks, if I practice running in my crappy old shoes I’ll become faster all the same”.
Not sure if my example is right, but I feel similarly about adoptables. To be honest, I was looking into this because I wanted to make some money too, but I’m not sure I could bring myself to selling adoptables. I don’t feel my designs are worth paying for anyways lol
I’m glad Spar brought up the fact that some people sell adoptables because they just have a tonne of design ideas and they’d like to see them used. ovo
A lot of good points being brought up though about the sort of…generic side of adoptables, I’d say. I personally don’t care for adoptables that are just different colourations of a generic creature. There’s a market for wolves and cats and such, I suppose, but it’s not something I’m involved in so I can’t make much comment on that. Also some weird rules flying around about “not adding piercings” or “must use character” in some adopts. I would tend to avoid those because I feel they aren’t quite in the spirit of things…
Maybe I’m more into them cause I love the idea of concept design. I like the idea of people collaborating with others, even indirectly, to create something awesome. I love that people can interpret a design and use them in ways you can’t imagine. I don’t think there should be any guilt involved in purchasing an adoptable. It’s not different from commissioning an artist to design a character for you at all! It’s just not custom-made for you. It’s like, say, buying an outfit. While a custom made, custom fitted outfit will usually look better, some people can look just as fabulous in a outfit pulled from the store racks. :)
Of course, I’m not saying everyone should go out and buy and make adoptables! :P If you like to design stuff and you don’t know what to do with your designs, and you don’t care about letting them go, then… Sell them! And if you like an artist designs and you feel like you can use them, go for it!
And as far as the “right to sell merchandise of the character”, well… I think that’s more of a personal thing. I have also seem some adopts that are listed as non-commercial use, but in general it’s more like, “one the character is yours, it’s yours”. Trying to think of a good analogy here, but the best I can come up with is buying premade stock or 3D models. A simple, single transaction leads the copyright being transferred to you, essentially.
Like, hrm… I feel like I’m repeating myself. :P And while I probably don’t share the same opinion as others who’ve bought or made adoptables, I can share a little story at least! (Might explain my views a bit better. I’m bad at this. :P )
This guy here is Fury: http://fav.me/d6mhv8s As soon as I saw him, I wanted him for a novel of mine. His design is incredibly attractive. I could already feel a personality for him. Even his name was inspiring me. So I bought him, because it felt right. Money was a small price to pay for the inspiration this character has given me and my story. Plus, it also helps support an amazing artist. (Though it probably helps that she’s a friend of mine, too. :P So views may be biased from me.)
Now you could argue that I could have designed my own winged-snake character. It’s certainly not an unusual design. But that wouldn’t have felt right to me, because this design is what inspired me.
Not trying to change anyone’s mind here, though, because of course, everyone will feel differently! Like Sparradile, who wouldn’t feel comfortable using someone else’s design or doesn’t feel that the designs fit her needs. That’s totally cool! I wouldn’t buy a character unless I could find a use for them, myself. I just don’t see much of a difference between buying stock photos or handmade materials for projects and buying premade characters for you to use and expand on and enjoy.
This is a lovely conversation. >w< It’s fun to hear others views. And Sapphire, I wouldn’t do something you don’t feel comfortable with. It’s not worth it. D:
Woah I apologize for how long this post has gotten! I don’t know how to shorten it o.o
Thanks for your point of view, Khrysteen! I understand what you mean. It is the same as buying stock photos or stock 3D models etc. Stock is indeed useful for many reasons.
So that character that you bought, would you call it “yours?” Or would you say I created this character, but somebody else created the art and his looks? Well it is yours, since you own everything about it now, but you wouldn’t claim to have drawn the art of course, since you didn’t do it. That’s how I understand the situation.
You say you were inspired by the design for your novel, which I totally understand. But instead of buying it, why didn’t you just describe a character with similar features in your novel? I mean it’s not stealing since descriptions are vague. If I say “He was an white otter with a blue belly and small dark blue ears with a shell on his stomach.” I may be describing an Oshawott, but I may be describing any other otter creature. The picture in my head could be very different than Oshawott. Umm..not sure if I’m making sense.
If I were you, I would have written my story, and told people: I imagine my character as looking like this: [link to artist’s picture]. You’re not claiming the design as your own, you’re just saying in your head your character looks like this. Which I think is okay.
Well unless you actually plan to publish your story and get someone to draw you a cover with that character design on it. In which case, I could understand wanting to buy it so there is no copyrights problems.
please be specific about wanting the blog rate or not! Ill just assume you dont need one if you dont say so :D and again y’all are fantastic and the people that do it just because are awesome people! Everyone is awesome!